"Nice Guys"--in fiction.
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I've recently been plowing my way through Frasier. Frasier was one of those shows that, as an early teenager, if it happened to be on, I would watch it and enjoy it, but I never really went out of my way to catch it. But lately I've grown tired of listening to music while I work, so I've instead started putting TV shows on as background noise--M*A*S*H, 3rd Rock From the Sun, and yes, Frasier (I'm hoping to work my way back to The Golden Girls, The Mary Tyler Moore Show, and maybe even Designing Women--if only for the retrolicious fashion and '80s entrepreneurialism).
Anyway, Frasier is one of those sitcoms I've grown to heartily enjoy. It's smart, sarcastic, funny (the rare bits of physical comedy are some of the most hilarious I've ever seen), surprisingly (or perhaps unsurprisingly, as it's focused on a psychiatrist) intellectual, and at times, incredibly poignant. No doubt this has to do with the relationships in the series (you know me and relationships), and just how very real and complex they are. Truly, this show had some fantastic writers. Last night, I actually stopped what I was doing to fully focus on one particular episode (8x19), because it was so wonderfully, tactfully, and realistically handled.
If you aren't familiar with the show, Niles Crane is the younger brother of the titular Frasier, and he is a fantastically adorkable beta male. He's also a beautifully crafted Nice Guy--who, though he's been called out on it before when his behavior dipped into selfish and manipulative, really gets called out on it in this episode, where he simply doesn't understand how loving someone to the point of worshipping the ground she walks on could be a bad thing. It made me squeal in delight, because this is a very real problem that is so rarely addressed, and for it to be addressed on a popular sitcom (even if it originally aired ten years ago) was even more delightful, and something I felt would be worth sharing:
Now, the whole reason Daphne had to gain weight in the first place was because Jane Leeves, her actress, got pregnant in real life. The whole "Daphne gets fat" thing struck me as a bit random and a cop-out in the beginning (but hey, she was pregnant--there's really no good work-around for that, admittedly), but I was really impressed with how the writers managed to turn it into something more important and character-developing than just "Daphne suddenly got fat--but now she's better, so carry on!" Have I mentioned the character development on this series is fantastic?
(I also feel the need to mention just how much I love the character of Roz Doyle. She's strong, capable, and unapologetically sexual--even after she gets pregnant from one of her flings. Actually, as much as I love Niles/Daphne, I buzz at the idea of Niles/Roz. Sort of like how I like to imagine Cloud/Tifa in my head, but prefer to write Reno/Tifa. There's more conflict and uncharted territory or something.)
I've recently been plowing my way through Frasier. Frasier was one of those shows that, as an early teenager, if it happened to be on, I would watch it and enjoy it, but I never really went out of my way to catch it. But lately I've grown tired of listening to music while I work, so I've instead started putting TV shows on as background noise--M*A*S*H, 3rd Rock From the Sun, and yes, Frasier (I'm hoping to work my way back to The Golden Girls, The Mary Tyler Moore Show, and maybe even Designing Women--if only for the retrolicious fashion and '80s entrepreneurialism).
Anyway, Frasier is one of those sitcoms I've grown to heartily enjoy. It's smart, sarcastic, funny (the rare bits of physical comedy are some of the most hilarious I've ever seen), surprisingly (or perhaps unsurprisingly, as it's focused on a psychiatrist) intellectual, and at times, incredibly poignant. No doubt this has to do with the relationships in the series (you know me and relationships), and just how very real and complex they are. Truly, this show had some fantastic writers. Last night, I actually stopped what I was doing to fully focus on one particular episode (8x19), because it was so wonderfully, tactfully, and realistically handled.
If you aren't familiar with the show, Niles Crane is the younger brother of the titular Frasier, and he is a fantastically adorkable beta male. He's also a beautifully crafted Nice Guy--who, though he's been called out on it before when his behavior dipped into selfish and manipulative, really gets called out on it in this episode, where he simply doesn't understand how loving someone to the point of worshipping the ground she walks on could be a bad thing. It made me squeal in delight, because this is a very real problem that is so rarely addressed, and for it to be addressed on a popular sitcom (even if it originally aired ten years ago) was even more delightful, and something I felt would be worth sharing:
Now, the whole reason Daphne had to gain weight in the first place was because Jane Leeves, her actress, got pregnant in real life. The whole "Daphne gets fat" thing struck me as a bit random and a cop-out in the beginning (but hey, she was pregnant--there's really no good work-around for that, admittedly), but I was really impressed with how the writers managed to turn it into something more important and character-developing than just "Daphne suddenly got fat--but now she's better, so carry on!" Have I mentioned the character development on this series is fantastic?
(I also feel the need to mention just how much I love the character of Roz Doyle. She's strong, capable, and unapologetically sexual--even after she gets pregnant from one of her flings. Actually, as much as I love Niles/Daphne, I buzz at the idea of Niles/Roz. Sort of like how I like to imagine Cloud/Tifa in my head, but prefer to write Reno/Tifa. There's more conflict and uncharted territory or something.)
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Date: 2011-05-11 08:06 pm (UTC)Heh, good to know they actually didn't want the laughing at all in M*A*S*H, that's a plus in my book. I guess the networks just don't know how to do witty. *shrug* I noticed that with some British shows, they lay on the sarcasm or wit thick so you have to be quick to pick up on it sometimes.
Guy Love IS TEH BESTEST! I had an icon for a while with Turk and JD looking at each other lovingly with the tag "Guy Love" on it. :D